a candidate who you believe in and go to work for them. >> i agree. i was in washington d.c. in 2006 helping with the democratic senate campaign and senator obama said if i do this you will go with me, right? i said sure. right then i decided to go with obama over clinton before i even ask what was your biggest fund-raiser? i have all lady in san diego who pays 35,000. great. going up against the clinton administration he had a database of 20,000 addresses but i believed he would be the best nominee and president and it has been a fun ride. >> i had not had experience on a political campaign but to reinforce that i joined governor ron a working for him at the olympics in salt lake city you said i will run for governor will you work on my campaign? i had no interest in politics at that point*. i said no, i'm not interested in my wife said you crazy tell him we will move to boston. and three years later, he asked me to be the national finance director for the campaign. i had no idea what campaign fund-raising was but pick somebody you believe in and you will do a good job. >> how old were you?